serious spending cuts on the table. he and speaker boehner a week and a half ago were this close in a $4 trillion deal, they were 200 billion apart on revenues and 200 billion apart on cuts and then what happened, all of a sudden, speaker boehner decided to do this plan b. he went back and for a week tried to raise the amount that you would extend the bush tax cuts to people over a million dollars, couldn't get -- the plan was flawed from the beginning. instead of trying to get a bipartisan deal with democrats and republicans, he tried to win over the 50 most hard right conservatives in his body. it fell -- wait, wait, it fell apart, and it's leading us to this last minute, so our choice is simple. avoid the fiscal cliff and people's taxes going up or do nothing and let it happen. we didn't want to be in that position, but speaker boehner pulled out of the deal a week and a half ago. it's not fair to blame the president. >> but i've got to ago you this question because this is one f the big sticking points left. whose taxes go up, people making over $250,000 as the president wants or rep